. >> i will say to that point, greg abbott the attorney general running for governor in texas says they have prosecuted many, many of these cases in florida we have seen the same thing, i don't know about north carolina it does happen. >> everything happens. people fall off buildings. you know, people fall off bridges. what i'm saying as a matter of influencing or changing election outcome. when was the last time we heard about that? >> you think that somebody casting a ballot fraudulently is as infrequent as somebody falling off a bridge? >> correct. >> i think you have fallen off the bridge. >> no one is falling off the bridge. >> elections aren't clean and every attempt. >> believe me, we have such -- we have fly spec surveillance of our elections in this country. if there is was any evidence that any democrat was pursuing cheating in this manner, boy, would republicans be ballistic, charles. >> if you believe that our elections are clean, you believe that baseball is clean. i'm not sure either is true. >> by the way, something we didn't get to but we will talk about maybe later on,